justicereigns | [Voice] Jitte, Self-Defense, and Executions

A hunter? What's that a metaphor for? [ She knows he doesn't mean actual hunter because she's not killing someone for food or sport. ]

Hmm. Well, I wanted to see if I can accomplish Konoha's objective. After that, I realized they weren't giving up and decided to kill them in a way that'd honor their lifestyle. Since I'm not sure what hunting means, make your own decision, I guess.

Someone who tracks down criminals.

Right, that's a type of hunting. Bounty hunters do it for the money, but I do it for my justice.

You track criminals? That's very noble! Especially since you don't do it for profit. I sometimes track down criminals to keep Konoha safe! A ninja's role is to the community, not to the money. [ So it looks like they have similar reasons here. ]

It's not noble, just my job.

But I see, they sound similar. "Community" though? Not the government or whoever sends you? [Not that he has a problem with it, if anything he's definitely more intrigued sounding.]

Well, I'm employed by the Hokage or the leader of our village, but, they're generally known for their undying love for the village. Those selected to be successors are usually evaluated based on dedication, skill, and desire to love and protect the citizens of Konoha. It's the Hokage's duty to serve the village, just like how it's our duty to serve both. For example, Lady Tsunade, the current Hokage, gave all of her chakra to heal thousands of people during an invasion which caused her to fall into a comatose state. That courageous display of affection, love and the willingness to protect isn't special for the Hokage, it's an obligation, which is why very few have potential of becoming one.

That's... certainly a unique way of choosing one.

[He's genuinely pretty surprised. That's pretty polar opposite from the government.]

And quite effective I imagine? [If perhaps causing short lives/durations for hokages.]

It is! We've had five hokages so far, each of them are great, strong and infinitely talented. Well, actually, we had five and a half because one person was elected as Hokage as Tsunade-sama was in a coma, but his reign was never made official and Tsunade-sama woke up and reclaimed her position. It's a good thing she did too, because he personally wasn't a very benevolent man and was very power hungry. [ Which definitely is no bueno. ] Unfortunately, he had the connections to make it into office, however brief it was, and undid all of the hard work Tsunade-sama did. But, since she's back in action, things have been getting better.

Konoha is the strongest of the Great Five Villages, even if recent times have been rather rough. It's because of the Hokage's duty to the community that Konoha is so strong. It motivates everyone to pitch in and create a unified, strong, village! [ she's getting pretty impassioned about this topic. ]

If he wasn't anything a hokage is supposed to be then how did he--?

[And then she explains it so Smoker grunts.] I see. [Apparently some forms of corruption really do never change. Pity. At least they had a way to offset it, however.]

Great Five Villages? How big is your world? Or each village, I suppose. [Since sure, the World Government is basically comprised of the Five oceans, but when people say "village" he can't help thinking of about Luceti's size, and for Smoker that is damned tiny.]

He had deep ties with the committee that temporarily selected him. The committee also had issues with the previous kage. He did care for the village, but it's what he was willing to sacrifice to get there that made him different. In other words, he cared more for the prestige of the village than the heart of the village.

[ Her voice is tense. There's a layer of aggression and remorse over those times. Coming to the decision to kill your own former comrade right after your hero goes into a coma... ]

My world is pretty large, I guess? The villages range in terms of size, but they also occupy land that's outside the village, so, it's not just a village but it's also a country if that makes sense. The country usually has a different name, however. Konoha is in the Land of Fire. Kirigakure, or the Village of the Mist, is in the Land of Waves.

As for size, I think The Hidden Leaf Village is about Luceti two-hundredfold. [ That's a large village. ] It has about eighty thousand people, so it's quite large. Population wise, we're the largest of the great villages. The least populated one is around thirty thousand.

Understood. My world recently went through a similar thing. For who would become the next Fleet Admiral there was a fight between two admirals with different views of what justice should mean or represent. And the one who won believes more in killing pirates than protecting civilians. [Usually he'd almost agree with Akainu that those goals are one and the same, but if you have to kill civilians to kill pirates, you've lost sight of justice so far as Smoker's concerned.]

[And he's mentally counting that off in his head. It's still smaller than a lot of islands in his world which can get several million to one island, but still that's a much bigger size than he was thinking.] Understood. Fire, and Water, are the others Earth and Air? [Guess who's been talking to the Avatar crowd?]

[ In case you're canon blind as to what symbol means what, this article should be of some use! Also, with the length and all that, don't feel pressured into writing a lot if you just aren't feeling it! It's totally okay, I understand this is a bit excessive. ]

That's just a shame! There's no greater duty towards a government than protecting its people. Violence is a tool, but only if it still keeps the goal of protecting the pedestrians in mind. [ SHAAAAME. ]

Sort of. I'll write some of the information out since the hidden village sometimes doesn't mesh well with the country. [ She turns on the feed to reveal a map. ]

First is the Land of Fire. It's Hidden Village is the Village Hidden in the Leaves. [ She points to the village, which has a leaf like symbol. ] It's overall the strongest of the five villages, with the most people, and a great economy. It's military and its leadership has been praised for being a winning force of most wars. But, with multiple invasions in the past couple of years, it's power has slightly dwindled. The Land of Fire is otherwise peaceful and is a host to large forests and bright and sunny weather. [ Biased as a wikipedia editor. ] Next is the Land of Water. [ She circles her fingers around the islands. ] It's mostly isolated from the rest of the great nations. Until recently, it was always plagued by civil warfare and corruption. It's villagers usually lived in poverty and skilled ninja frequently deserted the village and then went on crime sprees. It's prospects have improved recently since the Mizukage, or leader, restored order and has made the village more peaceful and stronger. It's the smallest of the great five nations.

After this is the Land of Earth. [ She moves her hand to trace the outline of the village. ] It has the Village Hidden in the Stones. It's headed by the Tsuchikage. It's rocky mountain borders means it doesn't communicate with the other villages often. It also means it's a natural stronghold defense. It's a very large territory and it has rocks blow themselves into other countries. They're known for their constant desire to fight. [ Tenten briefly chuckles. ]They've hired mercenaries to secretly attack other villages and have fought with borderlands many times in the past for their own conquests. Because of this, it has the greatest military strength, roughly equal with our next land, which is the Land of Lightning.

The Land of Lightning, [ She moves her hand to point at the peninsula on the right upper side of the map. ] is a nation of iconic beauty. It has vast mountain ranges in the center of the land that have year round thunderstorms. From these mountains, the rivers go to the sea which create beautiful cragged coastlines. It's village, Kumogakure, or the Village Hidden in the Clouds, which is found in high rock formation that has a cloud surround it because of the elevation. In the past, they've tried several times to attack our greatest ninja to gain our country secrets even in time of peace. [ Her voice somewhat sours. This has affected her personally because it affected one of her teammates. ] Their hostility and tactics single handedly motivated everyone to keep training ninjas, so I guess it's because of them I have a job. [ Nervous laughter goes here. ] It has the strongest economy too, because of high tourism. Its leader is called the Raikage.

Finally, we have the Land of Wind, and it's village, The Village Hidden in the Sand. [ She moves her hand to the opposite corner. ] It's mostly a desert despite its vast size. The people live in oases because of the unbearable dryness and sandstorms. They've fought with Konoha in almost every war to date, but, they're our close allies now thanks to the effort of the Hokage. It has the least people, one of the smallest militaries and economy. It keeps its standing in the great five nations usually through trade, cooperation and the fact that it's not considered a viable land to invade. [ Zing! ]

There's also the Land of Iron. [ She moves her hand towards the peninsula with the lack of symbol on it. ] It's an icy, snow covered country. It has a great military, headed by ninjas. It also has remained neutral in every conflict, due to a rule that no ninja nation can attempt to rule it or meddle with the land. It has no hidden village or ninjas. Attacking it usually means you're declared an international criminal.

There's minor countries and villages but they aren't hidden villages or large countries. [ She then realizes just how much she's been talking. ] And sorry about that! I just got carried away a bit, but I figured it'd be helpful to gain an understanding of other countries so you could speculate on how they handle execution. I know Kirigakure rarely punished criminals because of its awful state, but it punished ninja for failure - sometimes by executing them which would be either public or private and sudden which used to be employed by the old Mizukage or whoever he allowed to look after the land. Its graduation exam also consisted of having students kill each other to gain the rank of a ninja. [ There's a tone of pitiable sadness in her voice. That seems like an awful experience to put people through just to graduate and become a ninja. Death should never be at the hands of a comrade. ]

[ooc: Let me just also express my deep admiration for Naruto as a series; for having a linkable map. I had to hand-draw a couple of makeshift ones of the Grand Line for Smoker and let me just say that was a paaaain. Love the super information too!! THANKS FOR THE HARDWORK!]

No, it was quite helpful, thank you. My world's countries aren't ever really at war anymore thanks to the World Government, so it's interesting to get a completely different perspective, and every detail helps. [To note: Smoker will not often be this polite, but he is genuinely grateful and Tenten is a hunter like him so she's definitely not going to get the pirate or delinquent treatment either. Just don't expect his cordiality to last.]

So the Kages set or enforce governmental policies and new rules for each of their villages or do they take orders from a council of some kind? And they send the ninjas on missions to deal with the other countries and villages?

Wait, their exam let students kill each other? How do they even expect to get strong like that?! [Even with Akainu occasionally offing marines, it's definitely never going to be marine academy protocol jeez.]

[ I love it for its map feature too, even if Kishimoto is inconsistent and doesn't remember where he places his own countries... fml. Making a map of the grand line sounds like Real True Tears: The Miniseries so I'm awfully sorry you had to go through that. It sounds just tedious and no worries! ;w; glad you like it! ]

A world government? We don't have one of those, it'd be weird if we did considering how much we fight. [ The irony is they're considering it. Tenten does notice the politeness and bows. ] You're welcome.

The Kages set and enforce policies and new rules. They have a counsel of advisors that can try to grasp and fight with them for power, but they also have the ability to ignore it anyways. This counsel usually appoints and recommends the next kage too, and after that, they have to garner the approval of Jonin by vote. They also have their own bosses, called Daimyo, that monitor the entire country. They're disconnected with the village, but they do check in on affairs, approve treaties and wars, and nominate kages. They aren't very powerful besides that, as most kages override them anyways and make decisions and just deal with them later.

And yeah. It's discontinued now but I guess it was some twisted survival of the fittest. [ Her voice sounds distant. ] It ended when a graduating class member got bored and massacred the entire class. The recent kage has modeled the graduation system on a series of exams based on knowledge, demonstration of skills, and overall attitude. It's a vast improvement for the country, which is really starting to clean up its act.

[lmao I cheated and said that Smoker was purposely making it vague so that pirates couldn't use his knowledge for evil B) Plus it was just to give Ikki perspective where Alabasta is in relation to Loguetown, Marineford, and the New World. Which are luckily easier to map? Although the harder part was just trying to guess for all the islands Smoker knows but that the Straw Hats never visited since they started off only visiting one out of 7 of the island "options"/routes. Bluh. And I didn't even bother trying to add in the sky islands. That'd be a nightmare. /TL;DRs about the TL;DRs.]

Mm. Ours came about to prevent such fighting and it's too big for the countries to have even banded together to fight. But from my studies of Europe and "Earth" history I think when the countries are more land-locked or of closer to equal size, it seems there isn't a big enough gap for a world government to start rising to power and take over. So the wars and fighting continue. [You can tell Europe, Earth, and land-locked are still pretty unfamiliar words for him, to the point he's almost unsure he's even using them right, but he's giving it his best and continuing on in his gruff manner.]

[And he waves off the returned politeness and bow. Niceties, man he sucks at them after a really quick point.]

I think I get it. The Kages are part King, Mayor, and Fleet Admiral all at once. But the rest is more democratic in nature? Or rather... how are the Daimyo decided? By bloodline? [Making them like the tenryuubito? Only more overridden and ignored.]

Good to hear. There are a few countries that do such crazy things like that in my world too, so long as they don't take it international, the world government practically lets the individual countries and their rulers do whatever they want inside their borders.

[ I love it when you don't have to put in crazy amounts of effort for IC reasons! I did that with Lust a couple of times when she described Amestris because she's in the process of destroying it |D

And those are easier to map! This one piece game I have (Grand Battle) has premade maps for those. I wish I knew you back then so I could find a way to scan them/get images or something. And isn't Sky Island like... far far away anyways? It'd be hard to depict something like, "FLOATING UP HERE IN THE CLOUDS" ]

That's it, when it comes to village affairs. Daimyo are usually decided by bloodline, but, sometimes other countries will select one to replace them after they die. It could range from anywhere from a kage to just a really peaceful and noble individual. Sometimes, people buy the title. [ It's complex. ] This inept system is usually why they're overridden so easily. That, and, they have no military.

So, in other words, the world government is more of a monitor and not an empire. It protects the places that lack protection and makes sure the world is in order so other countries can do whatever.

[Oh man maaaaps *_* but Skypiea is kind nearly right above Jaya which is how part of Jaya got knocked up into it. As for the other sky islands (they do exist) no idea where they are, but it's generally guessed only along the Grand Line/New World because of the seastone particles that get knocked up into the clouds and solidifies them. Or something. Psuedo-science, what do.]

Understood. Sounds a little like the royalty in my world except for the lack of military might. And more subservient or ignorable.

Something like that... they try. It's still a bit more of a controlling force, though. The individual countries do have to answer to the World Government's laws above their own, and obviously if they reject having marines there, then the country can't stay allied with the World Government. And quite often, the countries will call to the World Government for help if they're in over their heads.

[ Yeah. I know that Skypiea is in the air. Hence my confusion at being able to map it. One Piece science could most likely be its own college course where everyone ends up failing tbh. ]

Yeah. The only time they get power is if a kage is incapacitated and, even then, the only action I ever heard them taking was waiting to nominate a new one.

Ah. So, allying with the world government isn't required? What happens then? Do you ignore them, or, do you just wander over and destroy them for insubordination? [ She's curious. The big brother factor is slightly interesting to her considering how any country could defect at any moment from a central, worldly government. He DID mention control, so what happens if they lose control? ]

[Yuuuup. Not to mention the other sky islands which are as vague as the ones that Smoker's been to but the Straw-Hats haven't. I always wanted to have Marco or someone teach Grand Line Science 101, just because only someone as genius as Chopper, Nami, or Robin could ever pass it...]

Do they have any other day to day tasks they have to oversee?

If a country didn't ally with the World Government, it would usually run the risk of then becoming pirate domain. When a country allied in the world government gets hit hard by pirates, the marines have a recourse to help try to protect or get rid of the pirates, sometimes the government will send out a shichibukai or someone to deal with them. Otherwise they'd be all on their own. Wano gets by as a closed off island, and the government leaves them alone, presumably their samurai are able to fight off pirates on their own, but they might have a pirate emperor guarding their backs behind the scenes.

Fishman Island had a treaty for protection, but because of its location and a few other political factors, there are no marines present there, so it's always been targeted hard by pirates and slavers. Jinbei was a shichibukai looking after it, and the pirate Emperor Whitebeard was as well, but after Marineford that changed. Big Mam's been looking after it so that helps cut down on pirates, but they're still basically on their own unless they take a bigger step to joining the World Government and Reverie.

[ Let's be real, the amount of people that would pass an introductory class to Grand Line Science would have to be absolute paragons of great study or intuition. But, yes, one of the things I love about one piece is that two ladies and a reindeer are smarter than the rest of the main cast. ]

Nope. They usually just travel the countryside in luxury. It's a pitifully nonexistent job.

Hm. So, in other words, you don't even need to destroy them with force or anything, you just wait out until they cave in and come crawling back for your assistance? That's clever. It creates a way where you guys can maintain control for the greater good without destroying those that you wish to protect. What's a Shichibukai? [ She knows the term means seven but...seven what?

ooc: thanks to you, i went on a one piece wiki walk that, in total, lasted 5 1/2 hours because i went to catch up. developing just about every muse under the sun from tashigi to monet. oops. ]

[Yup!]

That definitely sounds boring.

Hn. I'd rather the governments didn't have to collapse at all, and given Dragon's Rebellion, there aren't that many "crawling back" to the government, but it is a worse situation to be in anarchy or on the outside usually, yes.

Seven warlords of the sea. They're pirates who have their bounties revoked in exchange for helping out the government against other pirates. They're made to keep the pirate emperors in check, so in the Battle of Marineford they were all called in along with every marine along the Grand Line to help fight Whitebeard and his allies. They're all pirates though and not to be trusted.

[ooc: lmao!!! I AM SORRY AND YET ALSO NOT XDDD And oh god don't tell me you have a Tashigi muse alskdjalskdj I always want one to play with, but she's so hard.]

They're rich and they travel the country at leisure. It's pretty boring but I guess someone would want the job.

I guess not collapse isn't the right word. Maybe in danger of collapsing? Or having no aid would be a better description. [ She's not sure. ]

Wow. So you guys employ pirates to fight pirates? [ ....That doesn't sound like a good idea. ] That kinda sounds like people paying for the Akatsuki to fight other countries. Who made that decision? It doesn't sound like a good one. Have they ever betrayed the marines or did something suspicious, like aid pirates?

[ ooc: AT LEAST I CAN BLAME MY SLOW TAGGING ON THE GIANTS WINNING THE WORLD SERIES #sfperks. And, I'm going to be waiting until this arc is over but IDK! She's kinda like Momo Hinamori (who I rp...) except you don't need to make her snap to receive her backbone. She's still a kind person. ]

Edited 2012-11-01 17:26 (UTC)

They can keep it.

You're about right. There's only so much the marines can do in the first place, but it's still a lousy situation on all sides.

[It's a terrible idea!] Yes. It's an idiot decision made by idiot men. I'm all for getting pirates to kill each other off, but about half of them have betrayed the government. Crocodile was just trying to use his status to take over the world starting with Alabasta, Blackbeard only used his position to break prisoners out of Impel Down, Jinbei refused to help against Whitebeard and went on a rampage, and Boa Hancock protected pirates during the war instead of helping. And broke my jitte. [HUFF.]

[ooc: FFF YAY you must be thrilled XDD My bff has been going nuts all season in joy XD AND yeah Tashigi is awesome \o/ Hopefully she keeps getting more chances to shine.]

Yeah, but, sometimes bad things have to happen so both sides can get an understanding. It's unfortunate that some things can't be resolved through negotiations but that's just how some people are.

[ OH YAY SOMETHING TO AGREE ABOUT.... ] So, in other words, most of the times they aren't even effective and just create more problems for you? [ Well, that's interesting. ] Sounds like they aren't even reliable people. Please, tell me all four of them had their bounties reinstated after this? [ ....She doesn't comment on the jitte, but it's nice to know that he uses a sword too.

ooc: I have been very thrilled! And she is! I hope this arc really reinstates what a badass she is. Blocking a sword attack from Zoro is no small feat. ]

True enough.

Yes. Freaking shichibukai. Hn. Boa Hancock still managed to keep her status, but the others are in bigger trouble. Doesn't mean much though since Crocodile was broken out of prison by Straw Hat and Blackbeard is still on the loose. [Well actually his jitte is blunt, not a sword, but fff.]

[ooc: omg right? And she has haki which 6/9 Straw Hats do not!]

Wait!? There's a woman Shichibukai?! Just how strong is she?! [ Be honest Smoker... She's just shocked that women are considered strong in this world. ] I hope both of them are caught soon, because those that play with the law shouldn't go free again, especially if they're posing as someone good. [ She has Very Strong Feelings.

IT'S A WEAPON SO SHE'LL LIKE IT...

ooc: Yes!! I hope Robin somehow knows haki though. I think she'd be a good user of it! I'd really like it if the crew was kinda within the ballpark in terms of abilities in relation to each other. Sobs. ]

Edited 2012-11-05 17:22 (UTC)

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